Do you think this would be possible in forge/minecraft or should I go c++?

[FlufffyDragon]

I plan on to make a very large mod and sadly it wasn't possible to do in Bedrock. Since this is where most developers for forge/minecraft seem to hang out it seems like the best place to ask. I'm asking since it would let me know if I should spend time learning java or c++.

• A lot of the game's base content would be removed like most blocks, the nether, the end, the overworld and also most mobs.
• Due to the amount of changes the mod no longer would follow minecraft's updates and wouldn't need to constantly update
• Takes place in space and would have it's own atmospheric simulation. It would either be room based or block to block simulation.
• Slightly more advanced AI than spawning them in and set to wander.

 

 

I'm hoping it would be since than a game engine wouldn't have to be made. If I get no response I'll just learn java anyways and see what happens.

[ZephaniahNoah]

I would recommend learning Java. Modding Bedrock Edition is MUCH harder. I feel like the main purpose of Forge is to allow a lot of different mods to run together. If a lot of mods changed Minecraft's source and some of them changed the same files then they would be incompatible. Forge mostly fixes that issue. But if you don't want this mod to run with other mods and since you won't update the mod for newer versions of Minecraft and you are removing a lot of content I think you should just work with Minecraft's source itself. So you should use the Minecraft Coder Pack (MCP).

[FlufffyDragon]

5 minutes ago, ZephaniahNoah said:

I would recommend learning Java. Modding Bedrock Edition is MUCH harder. I feel like the main purpose of Forge is to allow a lot of different mods to run together. If a lot of mods changed Minecraft's source and some of them changed the same files then they would be incompatible. Forge mostly fixes that issue. But if you don't want this mod to run with other mods and since you won't update the mod for newer versions of Minecraft and you are removing a lot of content I think you should just work with Minecraft's source itself. So you should use the Minecraft Coder Pack (MCP).

I should clear up what I meant by c++ was the C++ code itself and not bedrock. All I meant by bedrock was that its impossible to do this in that edition.

 

Thanks for the response I will use mcp then!

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by FlufffyDragon

[ZephaniahNoah]

Ah! Well it is possible to mod Bedrock Edition but would probably be a bad idea for a beginner. It kind of sounds like you want to make your own Minecraft like game. If you use Forge or MCP then when you share it you will have to call it a "Minecraft" mod since it uses Minecraft's source. But if you want to call it your own thing you should just make your own game/engine. In which case you could use Java, C++, or any other language. Just do your research about each language. I like C# with MonoGame!
Either way good luck

Edited July 31, 2019 by ZephaniahNoah

[FlufffyDragon]

I'll try java first than if nobody seems to have a problem with what I mentioned of doing. A beginner probably shouldn't be making a game engine.

Time to start the long process of learning java, or short but probably long. I'll make some small mods to practice before the real thing. Hibernation mode activated.

[DaemonUmbra]

If you want to make your own game I would suggest Unity (which uses C#) or Unreal (which uses C++ or their Blueprint/node-and-wire system).

Minecraft's engine is NOT made to be modded.

[theishiopian]

Daemon is right. Minecraft modding is for those who want to change the game, not make a new one. I personally recommend the unity engine, due to its flexibility, though unreal is also a viable option. 

[DavidM]

7 hours ago, ZephaniahNoah said:

Modding Bedrock Edition is MUCH harder

Modding Bedrock Edition is not possible, or at least not the way how Java edition works.

Java allows dynamic loading of classes and code, as well as ASM and runtime injection. Without these assets, Minecraft cannot be modded.

If you would like to make a new game, make a new game. Minecraft isn't built to be modded.

 

1 hour ago, DaemonUmbra said:

I would suggest Unity (which uses C#)

Personally, according to the OP's description (which appears to be a block-based game), I would say maybe pre-made engines like Unity is not the way to go. Unity is not that flexible in that the user cannot control the rendering of mesh. AFAIK Unity does not support occlusion culling with dynamic components, which is crucial in a block-based game to prevent the rendering of unseen/obstructed faces. Better performance may be achieved with Unity's new entity component system, but I would still see the lack of rendering optimization as the major problem. Personally, I would recommend to write your own engine (with OpenGL or something) in this case.

[Ugdhar]

Minetest might be something to check out (http://www.minetest.net) for what you're trying to do. It's open source C++, with lua scripting for a lot of things. I don't think of it as a minecraft replacement or anything, as it has different features than minecraft, and being an open source project, in many ways is a lot less polished. But it's very moddable, and worth checking out.