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Hi! I promised my kids to make a mod for my thesis. I can spend 400 hours with this. I know Java very well, but I don't know Minecraft yet. So my plan is to start playing Minecraft and learn modding from the Forge documentation... but is it realistic? Can you give me some advise on how to get started? What are some good projects to start with, and what could be done in the given time frame by a MC/Forge newbie? Thanks for any suggestions.

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Well, to start modding, you have to learn Minecraft. And to learn Minecraft, you have to play Minecraft. You should start with a very basic Survival World, and see how does the player interact with the world. If you don't understand something, the Minecraft wiki can help you.

Then, after spending a few hours (depending if you learn fast or not) on the game, you can start modding. You have the official Forge documentation here.

To create a basic mod (adding a block or an item), you don't need a lot of Minecraft knowledge. But when your mod starts to be complicated (networking, capabilities...), you'll need more and more Minecraft knowledge.

Also, if you need examples when modding, always look at Minecraft source code. You'll find a lot of examples in the source code, and they will always be up-to-date.

Good luck !

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My usual suggestion still applies, although I will agree with Franckyi, step 0: play Minecraft.

If you don't feel like using the wiki to constantly look up how to make items (and you're not on 1.12 with the recipe book), then I recommend installing Forge and then JEI (Just Enough Items) or NEI (Not Enough Items) depending on which version of Minecraft you're using (those names, by the way, are jokes on the original mod, Too Many Items).

 

From there:

 

Start basic. No, even simpler. Start with a decorative block. Something that does nothing but sit there and look pretty. Or ugly. Who cares about looks, all we care about right now is creating a single block and getting it to show up.

Then make a simple item, again, looks pretty (or ugly).

Then make a block that in some way reacts to something the player does. Maybe it's oriented like a log and when you right-click it, it rotates.

Then make a block that stores data in a Tile Entity.

Then make a machine block (something that has an inventory)--including a UI--does something with that inventory, and finally, displays that progress in the GUI screen.

 

At every stage of the process you should either know how to do everything, know where to look to find a block that does something similar, or have exactly one unknown (or at least, as few as possible). Don't immediately go "I want to make a custom 5x5 autocrafting crafting bench that uses the oredictionary, damages one of the inputs (a "tool"), and makes noise while doing it!" You'll have too many unknowns and will almost certainly try to make things in the wrong order.

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Exception: If you do not understand Java, I WILL NOT HELP YOU and your thread will get locked.

 

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I agree with Draco18s, having started and stopped modding multiple times. Only things I'd change is play "current" version of minecraft. I'd start with simple items then blocks. After simple block learn about the different minecraft rendering layers. Then continue with Draco18s directions. After his directions work with particles. 

 

Some things to know is there's a lot of material out there and most of it is out of date. Most the time you'll be taking out of data material and updating it. Don't ask any questions about any material below 1.10 on these forums or your thread will get locked very fast and you won't get the answer you need. When you have completed items, blocks, and particles, I also suggest you get familiar with the major mods out there by playing with a couple of the large FTB modpacks in creative mode. This teaches you what players are looking for and what is possible. Then formulate an idea of what you want and look up some of the githubs of mods with similar type stuff. 

 

Things to look out for is everyone structures their code differently. Some will place a function in the block code, others the client proxy, others in "main", and some in a strange class you haven't seen with any other mod. There is very little reason to how people setup things other than that's how they got it to work and makes sense to them. You just need to take their code and play with it until it breaks to figure out what does and doesn't work for yourself. 

 

I use youtube videos and these examples. 

https://bedrockminer.jimdo.com/modding-tutorials/

https://github.com/Choonster-Minecraft-Mods

https://github.com/TheGreyGhost/MinecraftByExample

 

Rome was built up brick by brick. Aim small and expand as you accomplish more and more. Don't build on top of a foundation you don't understand or you'll find pieces of your code not working that should and won't understand why. I have personally tried skipping each one of these steps that were also suggested to me multiple times, and it never ended well, which is why I've started over so many times.

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The reason I suggest starting with blocks, rather than items, is because you can say "f*k it" to the ItemBlock and just deal with a purple cube until you're ready to do items. Your first item? That block. :)

Apparently I'm a complete and utter jerk and come to this forum just like to make fun of people, be confrontational, and make your personal life miserable.  If you think this is the case, JUST REPORT ME.  Otherwise you're just going to get reported when you reply to my posts and point it out, because odds are, I was trying to be nice.

 

Exception: If you do not understand Java, I WILL NOT HELP YOU and your thread will get locked.

 

DO NOT PM ME WITH PROBLEMS. No help will be given.

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cpw.mods.bootstraplauncher.BootstrapLauncher --launchTarget forgeserver --fml.forgeVersion 43.3.0 --fml.mcVersion 1.19.2 --fml.forgeGroup net.minecraftforge --fml.mcpVersion 20220805.130853 [00:02:42] [main/INFO] [cp.mo.mo.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher running: args [--launchTarget, forgeserver, --fml.forgeVersion, 43.3.0, --fml.mcVersion, 1.19.2, --fml.forgeGroup, net.minecraftforge, --fml.mcpVersion, 20220805.130853] [00:02:42] [main/INFO] [cp.mo.mo.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher 10.0.8+10.0.8+main.0ef7e830 starting: java version 17.0.10 by Eclipse Adoptium; OS Linux arch amd64 version 6.1.0-12-amd64 [00:02:43] [main/INFO] [mixin/]: SpongePowered MIXIN Subsystem Version=0.8.5 Source=union:/home/container/libraries/org/spongepowered/mixin/0.8.5/mixin-0.8.5.jar%2363!/ Service=ModLauncher Env=SERVER [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/fmlcore/1.19.2-43.3.0/fmlcore-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/javafmllanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/javafmllanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/lowcodelanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/lowcodelanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:43] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/mclanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/mclanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [00:02:44] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.ja.se.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select two dependency jars from JarJar which have the same identification: Mod File: and Mod File: . Using Mod File: [00:02:44] [main/WARN] [ne.mi.ja.se.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select a dependency jar for JarJar which was passed in as source: resourcefullib. Using Mod File: /home/container/mods/resourcefullib-forge-1.19.2-1.1.24.jar [00:02:44] [main/INFO] [ne.mi.fm.lo.mo.JarInJarDependencyLocator/]: Found 13 dependencies adding them to mods collection Latest log [29Mar2024 00:02:42.803] [main/INFO] [cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher running: args [--launchTarget, forgeserver, --fml.forgeVersion, 43.3.0, --fml.mcVersion, 1.19.2, --fml.forgeGroup, net.minecraftforge, --fml.mcpVersion, 20220805.130853] [29Mar2024 00:02:42.805] [main/INFO] [cpw.mods.modlauncher.Launcher/MODLAUNCHER]: ModLauncher 10.0.8+10.0.8+main.0ef7e830 starting: java version 17.0.10 by Eclipse Adoptium; OS Linux arch amd64 version 6.1.0-12-amd64 [29Mar2024 00:02:43.548] [main/INFO] [mixin/]: SpongePowered MIXIN Subsystem Version=0.8.5 Source=union:/home/container/libraries/org/spongepowered/mixin/0.8.5/mixin-0.8.5.jar%2363!/ Service=ModLauncher Env=SERVER [29Mar2024 00:02:43.876] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/fmlcore/1.19.2-43.3.0/fmlcore-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.877] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/javafmllanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/javafmllanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.877] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/lowcodelanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/lowcodelanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:43.878] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.ModFileParser/LOADING]: Mod file /home/container/libraries/net/minecraftforge/mclanguage/1.19.2-43.3.0/mclanguage-1.19.2-43.3.0.jar is missing mods.toml file [29Mar2024 00:02:44.033] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.jarjar.selection.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select two dependency jars from JarJar which have the same identification: Mod File: and Mod File: . Using Mod File: [29Mar2024 00:02:44.034] [main/WARN] [net.minecraftforge.jarjar.selection.JarSelector/]: Attempted to select a dependency jar for JarJar which was passed in as source: resourcefullib. Using Mod File: /home/container/mods/resourcefullib-forge-1.19.2-1.1.24.jar [29Mar2024 00:02:44.034] [main/INFO] [net.minecraftforge.fml.loading.moddiscovery.JarInJarDependencyLocator/]: Found 13 dependencies adding them to mods collection
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